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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:44:15 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
"David" wrote Without exercise you are generally wasting your time doing inversion therapy. Everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions would disagree with you. Not everyone, David. They are contraindicated for me. Can't even do traction on my neck. I know of a few others in the same 'boat.' |
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On 14 Dec 2004 11:58:07 GMT, RC SAILS wrote:
All Thanks for your remarks. This is obviously a very active, lively and supportive group and I very much appreciate your immediate and extensive responses! I think I came to the right place. ;-) For background, I suffered a ruptured L5-S1 disc a year ago October (in the normal course of work as a sailmaker and rigger of sailboats), subsequently undergoing a microendoscopic discectomy to relieve pressure on the primary right leg nerve. At this point the disc is completely degenerated, the adjacent vertebral surfaces are now bearing upon one another and the associated nerves cause pain whenever I move incorrectly or sit or stand for periods of time without moving. I will have an artificial disc replacement procedure done as soon as the FDA approves the one I have chosen (ProDisc), but in the meantime (possibly as long as 6-8 months) I'm dealing with pain and would rather invest in other avenues of relief besides drugs so I can continue to work and sleep more normally. There are several types of disc replacement performed now in the US. I'm investigating one myself, thanks to info provided by an EMT and a few others at my gym. The procedure is done here in Texas. I must currently do at least an hour of exercise a day (and stay fairly mobile all day) just to stay relatively pain free, but the pain is increasing and if I skip a day or don't do the full hour I pay the next day. I do stretching/flexibility and back-strengthening exercises, 20 minutes on the stationary bike and 30 minutes powerwalk, just to feel almost human. Multiple intra-spinal steroid shots have given little or no relief, but I am learning better posture and lifting technique! :-) Approximately 75% of the personal comments I have read in various forums about the efficacy of inversion therapy are positive, with the negative coming from overweight users or those who may have less than well-designed equipment or tried door-hanging equipment rather than tables. There are also cases where inversion is contraindicated, one being myself. One issue is the hyperlaxity of most of my joints, but the other is specifically associated with my collapsed disc at L4-L5. Traction was also tried twice on my herniated cervical disc (C6) with very painful results. The spinal rehab specialist commented that inversion and traction are not always beneficial, despite what many believe otherwise. In my case, with both neck and lumbar spine, both are contraindicated. My sister has also had negative reactions to inversion but had positive results with traction of her legs/knees. Consequently, ;while many people find relief with inversion, it may be contraindicated in specific or individual cases. If you haven't already, I highly suggest you consult with your PT and/or orthopedic surgeon before attempting and investing in a contraption. Good luck. |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:24:24 GMT, David wrote:
"John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:03:02 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:59:35 GMT, "David" wrote: "John M. Williams" wrote in message .. . "David" wrote: Your comments about back machines are valid. My company actually designed the Bioflex unit and we began manufacturing it in Australia 12 years ago. Hooboy! There's the hook. So, in reality, you're a spammer, correct? No in reality this would never have come up were it not for someone's particular inquiry and wishing to have one - I never mentioned it last time we had this 'debate' - I had plenty of opportunities to promote this if I had wanted to - the website I gave is not even my own. - so that charge is totally wrong and unfair - every post that Will makes promotes his products. First you blast Brink for criticizing physicians, only to later reveal your prejudice: you son is a physician. Now you blast inversion tables, without any scientific evidence to back up your claims that they are "crap and are not effective," as well as your claims that they are "dangerous and counter productive" at full inversion. Only at the end of this thread do you reveal that YOUR COMPANY produces the alternative 90/90 unit that you favor. I feel really bad - I will have to go out and shoot myself. I gave you the reasons for my statements - backed them up with logic. the logic is irrefutable as I noticed that you have not attempted to argue the points. Not much more I can do. If you're not happy with that then **** the hell off You see what I mean David? I think he just likes to do battle - whatever issue, right or wrong - Problem is that he is a pompous old ******* that thinks he is always right - which he's not!! It is his training as a lawyer - you need to be combative. In this case it is amusing that he defends the old ideas. It is like the old codger who swears by his manual treadmill that he has had for 40 years - won;t hear of these fancy new ideas about motorized treadmills. A good lawyer knows when to leave it at the office. |
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![]() "elzinator" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:24:24 GMT, David wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:03:02 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:59:35 GMT, "David" wrote: "John M. Williams" wrote in message .. . "David" wrote: Your comments about back machines are valid. My company actually designed the Bioflex unit and we began manufacturing it in Australia 12 years ago. Hooboy! There's the hook. So, in reality, you're a spammer, correct? No in reality this would never have come up were it not for someone's particular inquiry and wishing to have one - I never mentioned it last time we had this 'debate' - I had plenty of opportunities to promote this if I had wanted to - the website I gave is not even my own. - so that charge is totally wrong and unfair - every post that Will makes promotes his products. First you blast Brink for criticizing physicians, only to later reveal your prejudice: you son is a physician. Now you blast inversion tables, without any scientific evidence to back up your claims that they are "crap and are not effective," as well as your claims that they are "dangerous and counter productive" at full inversion. Only at the end of this thread do you reveal that YOUR COMPANY produces the alternative 90/90 unit that you favor. I feel really bad - I will have to go out and shoot myself. I gave you the reasons for my statements - backed them up with logic. the logic is irrefutable as I noticed that you have not attempted to argue the points. Not much more I can do. If you're not happy with that then **** the hell off You see what I mean David? I think he just likes to do battle - whatever issue, right or wrong - Problem is that he is a pompous old ******* that thinks he is always right - which he's not!! It is his training as a lawyer - you need to be combative. In this case it is amusing that he defends the old ideas. It is like the old codger who swears by his manual treadmill that he has had for 40 years - won;t hear of these fancy new ideas about motorized treadmills. A good lawyer knows when to leave it at the office. Yes! Elzi what sort of therapy can you do on your compressed discs - just PT to keep them 'mobile' - did they both result from the same injury or accident? |
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![]() "elzinator" wrote David Cohen wrote: "David" wrote Without exercise you are generally wasting your time doing inversion therapy. Everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions would disagree with you. Not everyone, David. They are contraindicated for me. Can't even do traction on my neck. I know of a few others in the same 'boat.' Revision 4a: Nearly everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions, whose conditions are not so severe as to contraindicate inversion, would disagree with you. David |
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"David Cohen" wrote:
Revision 4a: Nearly everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions, whose conditions are not so severe as to contraindicate inversion, would disagree with you. Some folks need to be different. |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:27:52 -0600, elzinator
wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:24:24 GMT, David wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:03:02 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:59:35 GMT, "David" wrote: "John M. Williams" wrote in message .. . "David" wrote: Your comments about back machines are valid. My company actually designed the Bioflex unit and we began manufacturing it in Australia 12 years ago. Hooboy! There's the hook. So, in reality, you're a spammer, correct? No in reality this would never have come up were it not for someone's particular inquiry and wishing to have one - I never mentioned it last time we had this 'debate' - I had plenty of opportunities to promote this if I had wanted to - the website I gave is not even my own. - so that charge is totally wrong and unfair - every post that Will makes promotes his products. First you blast Brink for criticizing physicians, only to later reveal your prejudice: you son is a physician. Now you blast inversion tables, without any scientific evidence to back up your claims that they are "crap and are not effective," as well as your claims that they are "dangerous and counter productive" at full inversion. Only at the end of this thread do you reveal that YOUR COMPANY produces the alternative 90/90 unit that you favor. I feel really bad - I will have to go out and shoot myself. I gave you the reasons for my statements - backed them up with logic. the logic is irrefutable as I noticed that you have not attempted to argue the points. Not much more I can do. If you're not happy with that then **** the hell off You see what I mean David? I think he just likes to do battle - whatever issue, right or wrong - Problem is that he is a pompous old ******* that thinks he is always right - which he's not!! It is his training as a lawyer - you need to be combative. In this case it is amusing that he defends the old ideas. It is like the old codger who swears by his manual treadmill that he has had for 40 years - won;t hear of these fancy new ideas about motorized treadmills. A good lawyer knows when to leave it at the office. I gather you are suggesting the Williams is not a good lawyer!! |
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![]() "John HUDSON" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:27:52 -0600, elzinator wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:24:24 GMT, David wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:03:02 GMT, "David" wrote: [......] Problem is that he is a pompous old ******* that thinks he is always right - which he's not!! It is his training as a lawyer - you need to be combative. In this case it is amusing that he defends the old ideas. It is like the old codger who swears by his manual treadmill that he has had for 40 years - won;t hear of these fancy new ideas about motorized treadmills. A good lawyer knows when to leave it at the office. I gather you are suggesting the Williams is not a good lawyer!! I don;t think Elzi is that kind of girl! |
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![]() "David Cohen" wrote in message ink.net... "elzinator" wrote David Cohen wrote: "David" wrote Without exercise you are generally wasting your time doing inversion therapy. Everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions would disagree with you. Not everyone, David. They are contraindicated for me. Can't even do traction on my neck. I know of a few others in the same 'boat.' Revision 4a: Nearly everyone with lumbar-sacral or sacro-iliac compressions, whose conditions are not so severe as to contraindicate inversion, would disagree with you. David This was revision 4a? I must have lost track - must have missed 3c? What was 3c? |
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