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  #1  
Old July 1st 03, 09:03 PM
Larry Weisenthal
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I've posted on this topic before, but I think that the
take home message bears repeating.

rec.sport.swimming has a not insignificant impact
on the world of swimming. I have first hand experience
from my own encounters, but I'm certain that the
impact is generalizable to other discussants, as well.

Some examples:

Eddie Reese (U Texas and US Olympic coach) quoted
me and my writings by name on his acceptance speech
for his award as US swimming coach of the year.

The American Swimming Coaches Association contacted
me and asked permission to reprint an r.s.s. piece on shoulder
injuries on their website. (It's still there).

I've been contacted by phone or approached on the pool deck
by about a half dozen Division I coaches and asked about
stuff I posted on r.s.s.

On the NBC "Duel in the Pool" telecast, Rowdy Gaines twice
(correctly) referred to Michael Phelps' freestyle stroke as a "loping
stroke" during the freestyle leg of Phelps' 400 IM. I had never
before heard that term used in any swimming telecast or by any
swim coach, since the time I first described the nuances of the stroke
on a private internet discussion group and an age group club coach
in the discussion group coined the term "loping stroke" to describe
it. Since then (circa 1996 or so), it's been a recurring topic of r.s.s
discussions. By the way, I just looked at videos I shot of Phelps
at last summer's Janet Evans Invitational, and he did not swim
at the time with a pronounced loping stroke. But now he does.
Likewise, the swim technique of Diana Munz has been changed
a lot since the year 2000 Olympic Trials. Before, she swam a pretty
conventional female distance freestyle; now, she is the spitting
image of Janet Evans (sans only the straight arm recovery), loping
and pronounced head lift and all.

During the past month, I referenced (and, in most cases, posted for
the first time) images and videos on my swimming web site
relating to loping, back arch, and head lift on rec.sport.swimming.

This engendered a little, but not a lot of discussion here. Does
this mean that no one paid attention? Not exactly; here are the
"hits" on my web site in the month of June for the images
and videos which I cited on r.s.s. ("Hits" are in parentheses).

http://weisenthal.org/swimming/evans_uw.mpg (134 )
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/hackett2.htm (100)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/munz.art (84)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/loping.mpg (74)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/hackhead.htm (51)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/pressbuoy.mpg (49)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/evans700.mpg (48)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/evans_3.htm (39)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/thorpe_3.htm (33)

I conclude that rec.sport.swimming offers a very good
forum for introducing ideas and thoughts into the world
of competitive swimming.






Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life
  #2  
Old July 1st 03, 09:13 PM
Larry Weisenthal
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P.S.

The first swimming-related video clips I posted on my website were posted in
the course of a discussion on "loping" in August, 2002. As a part of that
discussion, I posted video clips of Janet Evans, Chris Thompson (a very
pronounced loper with a very pronounced head lift, like Evans), and my
daughter, doing a nice forward-sighting lope in the ocean off of Newport Beach.
From time to time, I reference these clips on r.s.s, and, each time, the "hit"
count goes up. Anyway, here is the cumulative "hit" counts of these latter
clips since their original posting and referencing on r.s.s. in August, 2002:

http://weisenthal.org/swimming/thompson.mpg (848)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/evans700.mpg (687)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/evans_uw.mpg (577)
http://weisenthal.org/swimming/loping.mpg (444 )

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life
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Old July 2nd 03, 12:17 AM
Larry Weisenthal
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What's the purpose of post?

The major point is exactly that which I stated:

I'm not sure that the participants on r.s.s. realize that
the newsgroup participation extends well beyond the
people who actually get involved with our questions,
answers, and debates. The average newsgroup reader
would probably have no idea that the readership extends
to some of the more prominent people involved with the
sport. The average reader would have no way in particular
of getting a quantitative handle on this.

For example, within the past year, I got involved in a spirited
debate with a fellow r.s.s. participant. In defending one of
my statements, I said that I was arguing my position from the
point of elite competitive swimming, rather than from the point
of what is most relevant to the average triathlete or fitness
swimmer. He responded that elite swimmers/coaches don't
read r.s.s. I said, that, au contraire, they do.

In the present post, I had the opportunity of getting some
quantitative feedback, because I illustrated some of my arguments
with new postings on my web site. As it takes some time for
new web postings to be picked up by search engines, and as
ALL of the content on http://weisenthal.org/swimming/ consists
only of images and video clips (and not essays or other verbal
material), then, I think, all of the web site hits on the new images
and videos I posted most likely came from clicks on my
recent newsgroup postings.

Now, I thought that the topics under discussion (leg sinking
torque of the pull and advantages of "arching the back" instead of
"pressing the buoy") were potentially important. I was a little
disappointed that there was little relatively little commentary --
typically things like this generate a lot of controversy and
discussion.

So I figured there were two potential explanations. First, perhaps
most people just agreed with the points I was trying to make.
Or, second, perhaps no one read the threads, beyond the usual
suspects (Fagan, Gormley, Edey, etc.). But then I checked the
click counts on the images by day, and I found, for example, 100
clicks on the new Hackett image set, and between 33 and 85 on the
others). Then I went back a whole year on some of the stuff I
posted for the purpose of supporting r.s.s. debates a year ago. And
found hits in the high hundreds (and these August clips were very
long downloads).

So, I just thought that people might be interested in some indirect
and direct evidence that what we say on r.s.s. does get noticed
and considered by a far larger audience than one might surmise
on the basis of the number of participants who actively post on
the various threads.

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life
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Old July 2nd 03, 01:18 AM
Mike Edey
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Ahhh, now this was the post I was waiting for
I do agree that the rss readership represents several demographics.
Partially responsible for this is the fact that there's no
rec.pool.maintenance or rec.sport.swimming.pools and only partial overlap
with rec.sport.triathalon. There are many different reasons for reading, and
contributing to, rss and so we tend to see a large array of view points and
experiences . This is good, no it's _great_ and for many reasons, though I'm
just gong to talk about one.

The fact is swimming isn't a science. We barely even have the beginnings of
a science. We don't even have a sufficient model to describe what happens
when we swim. Highly talented individuals such as Huub Toussaint are just
now developing tools & techniques for measuring some of the associated
phenomena, let alone trying to explain them. This leave one of the highest
profile sports in the world nearly purely in the arena of speculation &
experiment. My education is in computer science and not kinesiology or
medicine or physical education or anything else of the like and perhaps this
colors my perceptions of the situation a little. Regardless, I find this to
be an awfully exciting time to be a swimmer interested in the sport. Like
computer science, though for different reasons, swimming is still being
actively developed refined, heck _explored_, by amateurs layman, scholars &
professionals alike.

Ok, so this is where I tie into Larry's last post a little bit. No one
should feel unqualified to contribute to the discussion because, really,
_nobody_ is qualified. Regardless of what any of us have seen or done or
thought or tried we're all primitives struggling to develop a mythos into a
metaphysics. Surely this goes hand in hand with furthering developments in
nutrition, kinesiology, physics psychology and coaching and every other
study that changes how we view the swimming world but it doesn't mean you
have to be a learned scholar in any of those disciplines to be able to offer
something of value to this one.

Larry, quite rightly, pointed out that often discussions of technique are
often dominated by a few people. Nobody's saying that, to be a good rss
participant, one should be required to dive into such discussions but I
think we'd both like to encourage more people to do so. Larry's stats, and a
review of some of my logs, show a much larger number of unique ips
requesting material then can reasonably be accounted for by the number of
unique people who comment on material posted here. It's been pointed out
before that there is some evidence to suggest that a number of people lurk
here. I for one would like to see some of those delurk, and some of our
regulars feel free to engage the debate.

When you're not entirely sure where you're going it often helps to see where
you've been. Experience, any experience, is what we, in my humble opinion,
need now. There aren't many globally mandated forums to discuss swimming.
There certainly isn't many places where Joe Blow With A Good Idea or
Important Observation can, with extremely low barriers to entry, give that
thought to the world. I'd like think , though, that rss is one of them, or
will be. _We_ make rss what it is and while I believe it's been a valuable
tool for some with minimal extra effort it could be so much more.



--Mike



"Larry Weisenthal" wrote in message
...

What's the purpose of post?

The major point is exactly that which I stated:

I'm not sure that the participants on r.s.s. realize that
the newsgroup participation extends well beyond the
people who actually get involved with our questions,
answers, and debates. The average newsgroup reader
would probably have no idea that the readership extends
to some of the more prominent people involved with the
sport. The average reader would have no way in particular
of getting a quantitative handle on this.


snip



Now, I thought that the topics under discussion (leg sinking
torque of the pull and advantages of "arching the back" instead of
"pressing the buoy") were potentially important. I was a little
disappointed that there was little relatively little commentary --
typically things like this generate a lot of controversy and
discussion.


snip


So, I just thought that people might be interested in some indirect
and direct evidence that what we say on r.s.s. does get noticed
and considered by a far larger audience than one might surmise
on the basis of the number of participants who actively post on
the various threads.

Larry Weisenthal

Certitude is poison; curiosity is life




--Mike






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Old July 2nd 03, 02:14 AM
Jason O'Rourke
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In article , MJuric wrote:

OK I'll bite. Whats the purpose of this post?


I'm sure you know, even if you were too polite to say.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com
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Old July 2nd 03, 06:51 AM
Larry Weisenthal
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Bandwidth:

Stats for rec.sport.swimming
During the period of logging:

611 people posted to rec.sport.swimming
There were 3843 posts in 600 threads.
These posts contained 116701 lines
145 news readers were used to post to rec.sport.swimming

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292-500 (Many with only 1 post)
Larry Weisenthal

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  #8  
Old July 2nd 03, 07:04 AM
Steve Curtis
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The passion and enthusiasm for swimming generate feelings that are
shared by many, from the dog-paddling infant to the elite setting a
world record. The importance of open dialogue touching on all levels
and aspects of swimming in this newsgroup cannot be overstated.

Steve Curtis

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Old July 2nd 03, 07:52 AM
Mike Edey
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For those maybe wanting to play a bit I've translated Larry's stats into
something CSV'ish. If that means nothing to you, try cutting & pasting the
folling into a file named something.csv. Any spreadsheet should then load it
properly.

--Mike


Rank, Name, Number of Posts, Total Number of Lines, Average Lines, Change
1,Donal Fagan, 280, 7315, 26.125, 0,
2,Martin W. Smith, 249, 11184, 44.91566265060241, 0,
3., 4precious, 140, 5459, 38.99285714285714, 0,
4,RunnSwim, 137, 4846, 35.372262773722625, 0,
5,de Valois, 118, 3267, 27.6864406779661, 0,
6,Paul Gormley, 108, 3977, 36.824074074074076, 0,
7,Ross Bogue, 87, 2540, 29.195402298850574, 0,
8,Mike, 78, 2285, 29.294871794871796, 0,
9,Jason O'Rourke, 77, 1363, 17.7012987012987, 0,
10,MJuric, 68, 3852, 56.64705882352941, 0,
11,Larry Weisenthal, 63, 2810, 44.6031746031746,+2
12,Don Linsenbach, 63, 2394, 38.0,-1
13,Cam in Ottawa, 58, 1961, 33.810344827586206,-1
14,Totalswimm, 54, 1425, 26.38888888888889, 0,
15,Hootie McBooberton, 52, 1063, 20.442307692307693, 0,
16,King of the Cows, 50, 1300, 26.0, 0,
17,L. Murphy, 47, 1742, 37.06382978723404, 0,
18,Chris, 45, 883, 19.622222222222224, 0,
19,Radioactive Man, 42, 1541, 36.69047619047619, 0,
20,Bikeboy, 41, 1650, 40.24390243902439, 0,
21,Brian D, 36, 972, 27.0, 0,
22,Girts, 34, 737, 21.676470588235293, 0,
23,Madelaine, 34, 981, 28.852941176470587, 0,
24,Steve Curtis, 31, 259, 8.35483870967742, 0,
25,Martin W. Smith, 28, 1267, 45.25, 0,
26,mrdancer, 28, 733, 26.178571428571427, 0,
27,Al, 26, 616, 23.692307692307693, 0,
28,George Grattan, 26, 869, 33.42307692307692, 0,
29,Cam Wilson, 25, 961, 38.44, 0,
30,Loser AKA Leigh, 25, 557, 22.28, 0,
31,Liz D, 24, 834, 34.75, 0,
32,MSEagan, 24, 844, 35.166666666666664, 0,
33,Michael D. Kersey, 23, 1600, 69.56521739130434, 0,
34,Helgi Briem, 23, 607, 26.391304347826086, 0,
35,Kerry Wilson, 22, 701, 31.863636363636363, 0,
36,Jason O'Rourke, 22, 395, 17.954545454545453, 0,
37,Chief Squawtendrawpet, 21, 346, 16.476190476190474, 0,
38,DrClean, 21, 865, 41.19047619047619, 0,
39,Olivier, 20, 544, 27.2, 0,
40,Jill, 17, 318, 18.705882352941178, 0,
41,Bob Ward, 16, 500, 31.25, 0,
42,j. sterling, 16, 244, 15.25, 0,
43,Matt, 16, 399, 24.9375, 0,
44,WebSwim, 15, 330, 22.0, 0,
45,Jonathan Kamens, 15, 494, 32.93333333333333, 0,
46,Edmund, 15, 486, 32.4, 0,
47,chris, 14, 410, 29.285714285714285, 0,
48,Nikita Synytskyy, 14, 247, 17.642857142857142, 0,
49,Shahin Malekpour, 14, 854, 61.0, 0,
50,Zac Hester, 13, 437, 33.61538461538461, 0,
51,BillX, 13, 382, 29.384615384615383, 0,
52,Cam Wilson, 13, 470, 36.15384615384615,+3
53,rtk, 12, 331, 27.583333333333332,-1
54,BillyG, 12, 379, 31.583333333333332,-1
55,Donald Graft, 12, 329, 27.416666666666668,-1
56,Cipher, 12, 285, 23.75, 0,
57,Darlene M. Fackleman, 11, 436, 39.63636363636363, 0,
58,Manuel Silva, 11, 279, 25.363636363636363,+4
59,Mark Pilloff, 11, 233, 21.181818181818183,-1
60,Robert W. McAdams, 11, 389, 35.36363636363637,-1
61,STEVE, 11, 431, 39.18181818181818,-1
62,Michael G. Goldstein, M.D., 10, 843, 84.3,-1
63,Hedgehog & Markarina, 10, 263, 26.3, 0,
64,jt, 10, 342, 34.2, 0,
65,Nock Oak, 10, 94, 9.4, 0,
66,PatTX, 10, 303, 30.3, 0,
67,Huub Toussaint, 10, 484, 48.4, 0,
68,Rick Osterberg, 10, 206, 20.6, 0,
69,BLorenzen, 9, 153, 17.0, 0,
70,Lefty, 9, 154, 17.11111111111111, 0,
71,Karen, 9, 254, 28.22222222222222, 0,
72,SwmCoachB, 9, 43, 4.777777777777778, 0,
73,Tom Henderson, 8, 138, 17.25, 0,
74,federico, 8, 161, 20.125, 0,
75,Midex, 8, 305, 38.125, 0,
76,AndresMuro, 8, 95, 11.875, 0,
77,Shannon, 8, 94, 11.75, 0,
78,Fred McGherkin-Squirter, 8, 302, 37.75, 0,
79,Mark Pilloff, 8, 125, 15.625, 0,
80,Leigh Sumpter, 8, 166, 20.75, 0,
81,Cecil, 8, 1041, 130.125, 0,
82,James Hawkins, 7, 106, 15.142857142857142, 0,
83,Catherine, 7, 220, 31.428571428571427, 0,
84,Otto Vask, 7, 152, 21.714285714285715, 0,
85,Dani, 7, 99, 14.142857142857142, 0,
86,Mike L, 7, 93, 13.285714285714286, 0,
87,Alton, 7, 157, 22.428571428571427, 0,
88,Ghost Rider, 7, 182, 26.0, 0,
89,Karl Dentino, 7, 176, 25.142857142857142,+1
90,Tony Bryant, 7, 141, 20.142857142857142,-1
91,Susan, 7, 75, 10.714285714285714, 0,
92,Colin Priest, 7, 109, 15.571428571428571,+1
93,AntiNigg, 7, 239, 34.142857142857146,-1
94,Karen Lofstrom, 7, 111, 15.857142857142858, 0,
95,John Smith, 7, 222, 31.714285714285715, 0,
, 6, 152, 25.333333333333332, 0,
97,Bruce W..1, 6, 117, 19.5, 0,
98,FM, 6, 118, 19.666666666666668, 0,
99,, 6, 256, 42.666666666666664, 0,
100,Fal Leac, 6, 64, 10.666666666666666, 0,
, 6, 147, 24.5, 0,
102,David, 6, 82, 13.666666666666666, 0,
103,Art M, 6, 212, 35.333333333333336, 0,
104,lmmr, 6, 262, 43.666666666666664, 0,
105,Tim, 6, 123, 20.5, 0,
106,Michael Sollner, 6, 145, 24.166666666666668, 0,
107,Don Brady, 6, 107, 17.833333333333332, 0,
108,MJuric, 6, 187, 31.166666666666668, 0,
109,Mr Swarbrick, 6, 195, 32.5, 0,
110,Cramden, 5, 197, 39.4,+19
111,, 5, 137, 27.4,-1
112,steve, 5, 73, 14.6,-1
113,Manuel Silva, 5, 162, 32.4,-1
114,Michael Edey, 5, 220, 44.0,-1
115,Dick Jones, 5, 76, 15.2,-1
116,Dory, 5, 59, 11.8,-1
117,aquafit, 5, 63, 12.6,-1
118,Eike Laspe, 5, 71, 14.2,-1
119,David Crawford Jr., 5, 64, 12.8,-1
120,gwydion, 5, 59, 11.8,-1
121,Wuilbert Jaramillo, 5, 79, 15.8,-1
122,Swimr1996, 5, 39, 7.8,-1
123,Manuel Silva, 5, 225, 45.0,-1
124,sphire, 5, 122, 24.4,-1
125,Mike, 5, 91, 18.2,-1
126,Sherman, 5, 136, 27.2,-1
127,Cinc310, 5, 36, 7.2,-1
128,Stuz, 5, 104, 20.8,-1
129,Mark P, 5, 85, 17.0,-1
130,lilli, 4, 101, 25.25, 0,
131,Paul Mansfield, 4, 248, 62.0,+1
132,Bill, 4, 39, 9.75,-1
133,Steven Green, 4, 123, 30.75, 0,
134,Peabody, 4, 104, 26.0, 0,
135,Terry McLaughlin, 4, 91, 22.75, 0,
136,Mark P, 4, 95, 23.75, 0,
137,Peabody, 4, 60, 15.0, 0,
138,Sean Riley, 4, 88, 22.0, 0,
139,Scott Lemley, 4, 355, 88.75, 0,
140,Beeswich, 4, 37, 9.25, 0,
141,Chris, 4, 61, 15.25, 0,
142,Sean, 4, 89, 22.25, 0,
143,Allen Weiner, 4, 82, 20.5, 0,
144,_MerlinO_, 4, 68, 17.0, 0,
145,David Swarbrick, 4, 201, 50.25, 0,
146,John Rethorst, 4, 84, 21.0, 0,
147,Duke, 4, 120, 30.0, 0,
148,whoserman, 4, 20, 5.0, 0,
149,Rob Mohr, 4, 58, 14.5, 0,
150,Mark Juszczec, 4, 192, 48.0, 0,
151,Gabe Brannan, 4, 40, 10.0, 0,
152,=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marc=2DAndr=E9?= Golombeck, 4, 203, 50.75,+1
153,topdog, 4, 177, 44.25,-1
154,Jerry Cagle, 3, 64, 21.333333333333332, 0,
155,christian audeon, 3, 79, 26.333333333333332, 0,
156,RLIrwin, 3, 12, 4.0, 0,
157,Stuz, 3, 56, 18.666666666666668, 0,
158,TheScullster, 3, 49, 16.333333333333332, 0,
159,David Wilson, 3, 93, 31.0, 0,
160,F.J., 3, 93, 31.0, 0,
161,TeamBeresh, 3, 37, 12.333333333333334,+1
162,Jan-Olov Newborg, 3, 204, 68.0,-1
163,Jay Vonbriel, 3, 61, 20.333333333333332, 0,
164,Bob Prichard, 3, 21, 7.0, 0,
165,Kirk Nelson, 3, 23, 7.666666666666667, 0,
166,MRH, 3, 112, 37.333333333333336, 0,
167,Stuart Horner, 3, 62, 20.666666666666668, 0,
168,M, 3, 66, 22.0, 0,
169,openbit, 3, 279, 93.0, 0,
170,none, 3, 85, 28.333333333333332, 0,
171,KK, 3, 33, 11.0, 0,
172,David, 3, 105, 35.0, 0,
173,dhelling, 3, 69, 23.0, 0,
174,Aussie Tri, 3, 72, 24.0, 0,
175,P, 3, 74, 24.666666666666668, 0,
176,Andy Kie Kuo, 3, 20, 6.666666666666667,+1
177,Charles, 3, 45, 15.0,-1
178,adrian, 3, 37, 12.333333333333334, 0,
179,Nich, 3, 68, 22.666666666666668, 0,
180,swim200fly, 3, 40, 13.333333333333334, 0,
181,Alan Walker, 3, 82, 27.333333333333332, 0,
182,Roger Hunter, 3, 35, 11.666666666666666, 0,
183,Lord of Darkness, 3, 63, 21.0, 0,
184,Scott T. Jensen, 3, 84, 28.0, 0,
185,Leo Lockley, 3, 46, 15.333333333333334, 0,
186,random, 3, 29, 9.666666666666666, 0,
187,Jon Lynch, 3, 78, 26.0, 0,
188,WebSwim, 3, 66, 22.0, 0,
189,Dave Andersen, 3, 127, 42.333333333333336, 0,
190,utahclimber, 3, 34, 11.333333333333334, 0,
191,KBeyersted, 3, 17, 5.666666666666667, 0,
192,Michael Shuldman, 3, 119, 39.666666666666664, 0,
193,Ian, 3, 70, 23.333333333333332, 0,
, 3, 45, 15.0, 0,
195,Annie Harris, 3, 42, 14.0, 0,
196,Carole Benton, 3, 76, 25.333333333333332, 0,
, 3, 86, 28.666666666666668, 0,
198,Greg Mossman, 3, 57, 19.0, 0,
199,Rich Lockyer, 3, 62, 20.666666666666668, 0,
200,Carole Benton \(Mrs\), 3, 84, 28.0, 0,
201,Toyota Lass, 2, 28, 14.0, 0,
202,Leandro, 2, 84, 42.0, 0,
203,Dawn, 2, 111, 55.5, 0,
204,Steve, 2, 37, 18.5, 0,
205,IVAN WINGATE, 2, 33, 16.5, 0,
206,Jay J.W Nam, 2, 45, 22.5, 0,
207,Roger McMillan, 2, 43, 21.5, 0,
208,Jay Stanley, 2, 30, 15.0, 0,
209,Jo Stoller, 2, 51, 25.5, 0,
210,Pete Dawson, 2, 66, 33.0, 0,
211,SR, 2, 12, 6.0, 0,
212,news.atl.bellsouth.com, 2, 68, 34.0, 0,
213,Kimberly Pearson, 2, 222, 111.0, 0,
214,mark_digital©, 2, 44, 22.0, 0,
215,David Scarlett, 2, 47, 23.5, 0,
216,rd, 2, 17, 8.5,+141
217,Rednose, 2, 26, 13.0,-1
218,DJ, 2, 16, 8.0,-1
219,Ghost Rider, 2, 46, 23.0,-1
220,S-May, 2, 75, 37.5,-1
221,Stephane, 2, 36, 18.0, 0,
222,Bert Hyman, 2, 26, 13.0,-2
223,Liled27, 2, 42, 21.0,-1
224,, 2, 64, 32.0,-1
225,Ginsmoke, 2, 5, 2.5,-1
226,Radioactive Man, 2, 38, 19.0,-1
, 2, 133, 66.5,-1
, 2, 30, 15.0, 0,
229,Graeme Barnett, 2, 40, 20.0,-2
230,Jeff Plotzke, 2, 28, 14.0,-1
231,Bernard, 2, 20, 10.0,-1
232,newszilla.xs4all.nl, 2, 53, 26.5,-1
233,lmmr, 2, 27, 13.5,-1
234,suria1, 2, 225, 112.5,-1
235,Debs, 2, 19, 9.5,-1
236,Harold Buck, 2, 44, 22.0,-1
237,Happyy, 2, 23, 11.5,-1
238,Cosmo, 2, 24, 12.0,-1
239,Bill Marut, 2, 72, 36.0,-1
240,Eric Friedman, 2, 55, 27.5,-1
241,Jane, 2, 57, 28.5,-1
242,Trey, 2, 30, 15.0,-1
243,Old Swimmer, 2, 101, 50.5,-1
244,Najena, 2, 5, 2.5,-1
245,slanton, 2, 4, 2.0,-1
246,Paul Yeoman, 2, 73, 36.5,-1
247,Ouch, 2, 36, 18.0,-1
248,Karl, 2, 61, 30.5,-1
249,Al, 2, 62, 31.0,-1
250,schloog, 2, 20, 10.0,-1
251,Paul Reis, 2, 32, 16.0,-1
252,Aaron the Aardvark, 2, 43, 21.5,-1
253,Ted G., 2, 22, 11.0,-1
254,Michael Hughes, 2, 93, 46.5,-1
255,SteelCat, 2, 30, 15.0,-1
256,jim morgan, 2, 24, 12.0,-1
257,Michael Scarpitti, 2, 63, 31.5,-1
258,Rob, 2, 16, 8.0,-1
259,Dan Leung, 2, 50, 25.0,-1
260,Elpaninaro, 2, 44, 22.0,-1
261,¦a˝L¤u¤H, 2, 53, 26.5,-1
262,Cornholio, 2, 27, 13.5,-1
263,SureWinner, 2, 128, 64.0,-1
264,Bryan Harold, 2, 41, 20.5,-1
265,Lisa and Tina, 2, 110, 55.0,-1
266,Four Hands Massage, 2, 26, 13.0,-1
267,Trey, 2, 20, 10.0,-1
268,MM, 2, 48, 24.0,-1
269,Halvard Halvorsen, 2, 43, 21.5,-1
270,Charlie Spitzer, 2, 58, 29.0, 0,
271,mckinnon, 2, 42, 21.0,-2
272,FujiGirl S304, 2, 31, 15.5, 0,
273,Albert F. Spohn, 2, 90, 45.0,-2
274,Peter Clapp, 2, 51, 25.5,-1
275,JoanMiM, 2, 130, 65.0,-1
276,J.M.L., 2, 24, 12.0,-1
277,swimg, 2, 27, 13.5,-1
278,news.verizon.net, 2, 62, 31.0,-1
279,Daniel Hirmann, 2, 21, 10.5,-1
280,Mel6782000, 2, 28, 14.0,-1
281,Webmaster, 2, 28, 14.0,-1
282,ELVINCENTO, 2, 25, 12.5,-1
283,John Doe, 2, 22, 11.0,-1
284,KK, 2, 29, 14.5,-1
285,Chuck Wyatt, 2, 22, 11.0,-1
286,Mortimer Schnerd, RN, 2, 68, 34.0,-1
287,PlayDoh, 2, 41, 20.5,-1
288,Tim, 2, 22, 11.0,-1
289,JJacobs387, 2, 11, 5.5,-1
290,M. M., 2, 71, 35.5,-1
291,Stuz, 2, 33, 16.5,-1



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And that is exactly what I would have written, had I any gift for eloquence.
Thank you.

--Mike

"Steve Curtis" wrote in message
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The passion and enthusiasm for swimming generate feelings that are
shared by many, from the dog-paddling infant to the elite setting a
world record. The importance of open dialogue touching on all levels
and aspects of swimming in this newsgroup cannot be overstated.

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