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Old July 29th 03, 10:14 PM
Lyle McDonald
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http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
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The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.

Lyle

***
A New Technique: will it be recognized?

It was exactly one year ago today that Mumikon Mumikonov (56 kg) from
Gabrov was competiing in the National Championships of Bulgaria. Having
already secured second place in the clean and jerk with his second
attempt, he took 175 kgs for his third attempt; a weight which exceeded
Neno Terziisky’s record of 171 kgs, set before the introduction of the
new weight classes. This weight would give him first place in the jerk
as well as in the total.


The judges were not anticipating any “new” innovation in technique, when
Mumikonov lifted the barbell not to his chest, as is the normal method,
but to his shoulders, across the trapezius muscles. After a hard
recovery, Mumikonov paused for about 30 seconds with the barbell across
his shoulders; then jerked the weight from behind his neck.


In the euphoria of the moment, all three referees passed the lift.
However, after a few minutes, Mumikonov’s competitors, in the hunt for
the gold medal, lodged a protest with the jury. The basis of the protest
was Mumikonov’s technique did not conform to the rules.


The ensuing argument amongst the members of the jury was no laughing
matter. One of the members confirmed that the rules were broken in this
case, because the rules say the barbell is to be lifted to the shoulders
and not to some other part of the body. Another member of the jury
responded, that the notion of “chest” was rather vague in the rules, and
that it could be interpreted as “shoulder girdle”, which is where
Mumikonov placed it. Besides this, if one considers the chest
exclusively, as the anterior portion of the shoulder girdle, then many
lifters never rest the barbell on the “chest”, since the bar ends up
resting on the deltoid muscles. Furthermore, Mumikonov’s pretentious
technique could set a dangerous precedent, which could undermine today’s
generally accepted method of lifting.


Another aspect of Mumikonov’s technique which is in violation of the
rules – the bar is not to be shifted to the chest before the elbows are
turned - over.


In response to this argument, it was pointed – out that the rules are
rather vague on this point as well. As an example, even a champion like
Andrey Chemerkin is unable to rest the barbell on his chest in the
clean.


Unable to reach a unanimous decision, the jury instead settled on a
compromise. The decision of the referees’ was to be upheld; however, the
lift would not count as a new record or as simply an achievement
exceeding the current record.


Not long ago, Durko Durkov, a correspondent for the Bulgarian Magazine
“Weightlifting” caught up with Mumikonov and obtained this interview:


- Where did this technique you performed at the championships come from?


- The originator of this technique is Leonid Alexandrovich Khotzie form
the small Russian town of Derbyshki.


- And how did you hear about this technique from him?


- My coach corresponds with Khotzie and was informed of this new
technique in a letter. However, Khotzie had a lot of problems trying to
introduce this new technique. The local athletes did not want to waste
time trying to learn this technique and Khotzie’s has been unable to
find new pupils, because of the declining popularity of weightlifting in
Russia. So, my coach suggested to Khotzie that he teach me this
technique. Consequently, I spent almost four months training in Russia.
The rest you know.


- Mumikon, what was your reaction the first time you were shown this technique?


- When my coach first described the technique to me, it did not seem all
that “bizarre”. My coach, after hearing about the technique and seeing a
video, did not try it even with a small weight. However, my coach
gradually came to the conclusion that the technique of today involves a
very low squat position for the snatch and the clean, and this would be
a risky maneuver, but nevertheless decided to try a few lifts.


- Well, what was his impression?


- Very favorable. He found the technique more effective than the old. It
is common knowledge amongst weightlifters that one can jerk 10 – 15%
more from behind the head than from the chest and that one can back
squat 15 – 25% more than one can front squat. Furthermore, standing with
the barbell on the shoulders prior to the jerk allows the lifter to rest
prior to the jerk; and if necessary, to widen the grip with little
additional effort.



- Mumikon, the specialists did not disagree with any of the
aforementioned advantages of this technique. However, all of the lifters
had the same question – how could one perform this technique and not get
injured trying to shift the barbell to the shoulders instead of the chest?



- It has been my experience that this is possible. The idea is to
carefully and gradually learn to do this. The skill of lifting the
barbell to the shoulders has to be developed the same way as one learns
to do the squat snatch. You need to begin with very light weights and
focus carefully on the coordination structure of the explosion and the
squat under phases. Of course sometimes even the experienced lifter
commits errors: for example, if the bar lands on the neck, the lifter
has to immediately jump forward from under the barbell; or the bar lands
below the trapezius muscles, now you have to release your grip and jump
forward. For the most part, this technique requires almost the same
amount of precision as the squat snatch. In my opinion, the difference
in training with this technique, from the usual training, is that you
should do a warmup for the neck – like the wrestler’s bridge exercise.
However, the warmup for the neck needs to be done with care to avoid injury.



- Mumikon, how high must you lift the weight in order to be able to
clear the head, and at the same time not have the weight come crashing
onto the nape of the neck?



- If you were to hold a barbell in the full extension position of the
body, it will be at a height which is 15 – 20 cm above where it would be
in the low squat position. If the barbell is not held at this point, but
is accelerating, due to the explosion, it will rise another 7 – 10 cm.
So, it is quite possible to poke your head under the barbell. At any
rate, I for one have been successful. With respect to the shock of the
barbell on the shoulders, it is rather sharp, but is less than the shock
of returning the barbell to the shoulders, after a jerk from behind the
head. By the way, Khotzie got the idea of rapidly ducking the head under
the bar, from watching the strongmen jugglers, catch a cannon – ball
type of weight by the nape of the neck, rolled from a specially
constructed metal cylinder. When Khotzie saw this strength stunt, it
occurred to him, that if lifters can master the skill to place the
barbell on the chest after the explosion, they can learn to place it on
the shoulders, behind the neck; to a more suitable weight bearing part
of the body.



- Mumikon, before any new technique in sport becomes widespread, as we
all know, depends on whether the coaches and the powers that be accept
it. There are many examples of such innovations like the Fosbery Flop
and Olga Korbut’s Ultra – si and clap skates, which received approval
from the technical committees. On the other hand, there are those
innovations which were rejected: anabolic steroids, diuretics, use of
vaseline on the thighs, etc. So, my question is this: what have you
heard from our national sport committee about your technique?



- As far as I know, the national sport committee is predominately
conservative. They do not want to recognize my technique. They even
refer to it as “soviet”. These people would like to nullify my win at
the national championships, however, their actions could cause a big
scandal which could have repercussions in the European Weightlifting
federation and even the International Weightlifting federation. For the
most part, our sports committee has adopted a rather aggressive position
with regards to recognition of Khotzie’s technique.



- What has been the reaction of the top coaches, Ivan Abadzhiev or
Norair Nurikyan?



- I think all coaches, even the best ones, depend on the good graces of
the sport bureaucrats, who as yet, have been silent.
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Old July 29th 03, 10:24 PM
August Pamplona
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"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting

perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by

pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a

while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


I think that article was brought up here before. Wasn't it meant as
a joke?

August Pamplona
--
"No, jew. Your jew opinion doesn't matter no matter what, jew. Your
writings deserve no comprehension, merely scorn, jew. You are jew."
-Lysis on m.f.w.

a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20
To email replace 'necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale' with
'cosmicaug'


Lyle


[snip]


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Old July 29th 03, 10:24 PM
August Pamplona
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"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting

perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by

pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a

while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


I think that article was brought up here before. Wasn't it meant as
a joke?

August Pamplona
--
"No, jew. Your jew opinion doesn't matter no matter what, jew. Your
writings deserve no comprehension, merely scorn, jew. You are jew."
-Lysis on m.f.w.

a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20
To email replace 'necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale' with
'cosmicaug'


Lyle


[snip]


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Old July 29th 03, 10:36 PM
Lyle McDonald
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August Pamplona wrote:

"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting

perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by

pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a

while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


I think that article was brought up here before. Wasn't it meant as
a joke?


I find nothing on the site to indicate such.

Lyle
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Old July 29th 03, 10:36 PM
Lyle McDonald
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August Pamplona wrote:

"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting

perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by

pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a

while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


I think that article was brought up here before. Wasn't it meant as
a joke?


I find nothing on the site to indicate such.

Lyle
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Old July 29th 03, 10:38 PM
Keith Hobman
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In article ,
wrote:

http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


[snip]

:^)

Lyle - you've been had.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.
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Old July 29th 03, 10:38 PM
Keith Hobman
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Default For any OL's in the group

In article ,
wrote:

http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.


[snip]

:^)

Lyle - you've been had.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.
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Old July 29th 03, 11:48 PM
Matti Kolu
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"Lyle McDonald" skrev i meddelandet
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.


Copyright notices aren't necessary.

"The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law,
although it is often beneficial. Because prior law did contain such a
requirement, however, the use of notice is still relevant to the copyright
status of older works.

Notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was
eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective
March 1, 1989."

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#noc

Matti


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Old July 29th 03, 11:48 PM
Matti Kolu
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"Lyle McDonald" skrev i meddelandet
...
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.


Copyright notices aren't necessary.

"The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law,
although it is often beneficial. Because prior law did contain such a
requirement, however, the use of notice is still relevant to the copyright
status of older works.

Notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was
eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective
March 1, 1989."

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#noc

Matti


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Old July 30th 03, 12:06 AM
Lee Michaels
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Robert Dorf writes:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:14:52 -0500, Lyle McDonald
wrote:

http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/

has some good articles but, since it's a frames site, I can't link to
them directly.
Go through the following links:
Products
Sportnivny Press
Featured Articles

The article on the Soviet Squat Routine gives an interesting

perspective
on the role of leg strength in OL performance. The following (which
didn't have an apparent copyright so I hope I didn't **** up by pasting
it here) is simply one of the craziest things I've heard of in a while.

That's right, he cleaned the weight to behind his head.

Tens of thousands of OLers die each year in clean-related decapitation
incidents...


Well, at least they didn't die doing reverse hypers.



 




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